Möchte mich mal ausdrücklich für diesen Interview-Hinweis bedanken - das war wirklich ein Perle unter all den Fußball-Interviews, ein rares Geschenk.
Das verdanken wir u.a. der Interviewerin Kate Abdo, die wirklich aufmerksam zuhört, sehr empathisch fragt und unglaublich spannende Details aus TM25 rauskitzelt.
Ich hab einen anderen Müller kennengelernt - und das Interview portraitiert eine wirklich spannende und tiefgründige Persönlichkeit. Zuerst dachte ich: Mmh - Müller in einem englischsprachigen Interview, da kann nich viel rauskommen. Erstens kann der nich allzuviel Denglisch - und zweitens hat der eh nur Dönekes im Kopp. Weit gefehlt in meiner anmaßenden Geringschätzung.
Thomas Müller über…
Woher kommt Deine Liebe zum Fußball?
For me, football was always my natural way to enjoy life. But I never thought about it: Okay, what should I do to have fun?
Ah - maybe football…?
No - it was always: Lets play football.
Kannst Du gut mit Druck umgehen?
Yess!! More than most of the guys!
Warum?
Because I love it.
…okay…
I love the pressure, because: when the pressure is high, you burn more. And glory is not the right word: I’m not playing about the glory, but about the chemical reaction in my brain.
Also ist es wie eine Droge, wie high sein?
Yess! Hundred percent.
Also bist du süchtig?
Yess! For sure. Otherwise this programme is not possible.
Welcher Trainer hatte den größten Einfluß auf Dich, von wem hast Du am meisten gelernt?
No. I’m not the „most guy“. Everybody has his influence - but you have to do it by yourself in the end. JA!!
Nachdem der Club Dir mitteilte, daß Dein Vertrag nicht verlängert würde, was hast Du gefühlt - ich hätte erwartet, daß das Hauptgefühlt Verletzung sein würde…? Aber das war es nicht…
No. A relationship between a club and a player -even if its a romatic one- is always based on business or football decisions. And there are always situations during a contract, where one side thinks: I’m wrong in this place. Always.
War Deine Geschichte beim FC Bayern die Erfüllung eines Traumes?
Maybe a fairy tale. But I never was a dreamer.
Es ist schwer zu glauben, daß jemand, der soviel erreicht hat wie Du, keine Träume hatte. Menschen, die soviel erreichen, haben normalerweise gesteckte Ziele, eine Vision von dem, was sie erreichen wollen…
Jaja. I already explained my mindset. My mindset is always the next competition. You cannot dream about such a carreer. What is that dream about? It’s a big chance to fail. Nothing else.
Fühlst Du Dich unwohl mit der ggw. Situation, noch nicht zu wissen, wie s weitergeht?
No. Not at all. Im 36 and still play for Bayern Munich - thats not normal. I survived longer than everybody else. So what should I complain about?
I try to feel comfortable in the uncomfortable situations. I have no fear for uncomfortable situations. I dont’t struggle.
Ist das wie bei Christiano Ronaldo?
Sometimes I would wish I would be such a discipline guy. I think I’m very discipline (lacht) - but Ronaldo is another level. I don’t know him personally - but I think thats really crazy. (lacht wieder)
Hast Du keine Sorge, was als nächstes kommt?
Concerns make sense?
Sorgen sind nicht produktiv, sie sind menschlich.
Yes, for sure they are human.
Maybe the concerns will come to my mind, but then I will let them go again. (lacht)
Hast Du jemals Mentaltraining gemacht?
I’ve never had, I never searched a mental coach. But I tried to listen to many people, when I thought they were intelligent. (lacht)
Gibt es die eine besondere Situation Deiner Karriere, den einen Moment?
Ja. 2012 CL-Final. My goal. About the 83d minute.
(verwundert) Das Finale habt ihr doch verloren…
Yes. But you asked a moment. Not more than twenty seconds. And the goal was the one zero lead.
It was just an explosion - in the stadium, in the city. And when you look into the eyes of my teammates: Again the chemical system in my head was going crazy. And this was the most intense moment in my carreer.
Hat es lange gedauert, bis Du Dich davon erholt hast (das Finale 2012 zu verlieren)?
Ja! One year. The we won it. (lacht ausgelassen)
Ja, it took me maybe one or two days, but when I came home, my wife kicked my ass and said: Come on - lets go again: we have to go to the horses. And the I was out of my pain - and life goes on.
Sometimes, when shit happens, and there is no chance to repair it, then its not even worth to think to much about it. Because you have no chance to repair it. There is no second leg game.
Hast Du Dir das Spiel von 2012 noch mal angeschaut?
Ja!
Und was hast Du dabei gedacht?
I thought I should have scored more goals. (lacht ausgelassen).
Das Brasilien-Spiel: Das war auch ein hervorragendes Beispiel dafür, daß Fußball Menschen verbindet: Am Ende haben die Brasilianer im Stadion Euch zugejubelt. Damit hätte niemand rechnen können…
That was heartbreaking in one moment. But also nice to see this human reaction.
Das 7:1 gegen Brasilien. Das 8:2 gegen Barcelona - im Anschluß habt ihr die Titel gewonnen. War das so etwas wie ein Momentum?
No. I don’t believe in Momentum.
When you’re really really good, you can create your own momentum out of nothing. When you look back, you can see things like because of momentum. But if we loose - whats then about momentum? And you can loose every time.
Ist ein Titel mit der Nationalelf mehr wert als ein Vereinstitel?
Yess! But not because the national team is more important to me. It’s because of the people: If you win with the national team, you win together with 80 Million people. And for every person its important to win - so we feel his feelings a little bit.
There is nothing more important than a worldcup win for Germany, when you are a football player in Germany.
It’s about the emotions - you feel the emotions everywhere. Or at least I feel it.
Wie möchtest Du erinnert werden? Im Pantheon in einer Reihe mit Gerd Müller oder Karl-Heinz Rummenigge…
But:
You allways need your teammates.
Manuel Neuer helped me a lot for some titles.
I had a great carreer. I’m in the Top… Top… I don’t know.
Top wieviel?
Ha! Top Top. I don’t like the Top with the numbers.
KHR hat gesagt, Du könntest zufrieden sein mit deinem Karriererückblick, weil Du das absolut meistmögliche erreicht hast.
Yes… äh… I know what he means. But I like … not to agree!
Warum?
There was always the chance to get more out of it. I could train more - speak less to the media and train more. Or the other way around. Or make less holidays.
Bedauerst Du etwas?
No! No regrets. Normally I make my decisions, because I think, it’s the right way to do it. The other way could be the more successful way. But : We never know.
Der Wirtz-Transfer
What is 150 Million about? Its just a number between clubs. It’s unreal anyway. The just change numbers. No human person can feel what 150 Million is about. With 150 Million you can’t by a Neymar, but you can plant… how many trees for a good reason?? How will we judge what 150 Millions are?
Könnte Fernsehen eine Karriere sein?
Hmmm… its not a No. I would have to think about it. I’m not sure.
Du kannst jederzeit zu mir zu CBS kommen - da ist immer ein Platz für dich. Was ist mit Manchester United?
Yes. Several times they showed up. Or do you mean - now, right at the moment?
Ja.
No. I’m not the right type of guy for them. And they are not the right club for me. They wanna have fun - and I wanna have fun, so: It’s not a match. (lacht)
I don’t look to far in the future. I always focus on what comes next.
When the day comes that I finish my carreer, I want to feel what I’m missing.
There are many guys who know from 25 on they want to be a coach. I never was this guy to know what I want in 10 years. I was always this guy with: Let it flow. You can feel it. And when you figure it out, we can go.
Kannst Du Dir ein glückliches Leben ohne Fußball vorstellen?
Yess!
Und wie würde ein solches Leben aussehen?
I don’t want to live without football. But you asked me if I can imagine it. And I can imagine everything. (lacht)
Wie sieht denn Dein normales Leben aus - mit den Pferden, zuhause…?
Ach! I’m not able to compare my life with a normal… what is that, a normal life? My normal life changed, when I was a kid, to my normal life now.
But I will be known for minimum the next twenty thirty years. So I have to wait, until the guys die, who know me from the beginning. So when I’m eighty, I’ve the chance that nobody knows me. And then I will have a normal life. (lacht)
Was ist mit Reichtum und guilty pleasures?
No. I don’t feel guilty, when I have a lot of pleasures.
Du fühlst Dich sehr geerdet an, so kommst Du hier rüber, in den Medien.
Yeah. I try to be myself. And myself changes every second. And I try to accept it.
Du bist sehr philosophisch?
Yess! (lacht)
Immer?
Yess! (lacht) I love it. In a philosophical way there is place for everything. And you will never know what is the truth and what’s the illusion. But that s not a problem for me. (lacht)